A skype: On OBL and relgion

Steve

yes, miami area

Zahid

Miami is a city in florida?

Steve

yes
TAI is to Miami as Abbotabad is to Islamabad...lol
close enough to have a dinner
lol

Zahid

lol
American brought him over from Afghanistan and shoot him in Abbotabad and fled
the house was safe house of CIA

Steve

lol
you are too funny
I wondered how long it would be before it was a conspiracy
...here you will find plenty of conspiracy theorists that you can have a coffee with while enjoying a quality of life afforded by our conspiracies...I can't wait
from what the news is saying, here in the US, including the "liberal" media that hated Bush...water boarding Kahlid Sheik Mohammed gave us the name of the "courier" that UBL used to get messages...
so all we had to do was be patient and wait for this guys name to surface and then go get him/UBL as soon as the two were tied together
it also seems that we knew UBL was living in that city for the past 8 months, at least.
the question is, how could he live so close to your military college and under the nose of the ISI without detection
I don't think he was undetected

Zahid

one nations freedom figters are other nations terrorists

Steve

I think your govt. knew he was there and was "supporting" him
lol
true
but Pakistan had no dog in this fight
UBL killed more Muslim's that he did anyone else

Zahid

yeah i know one

Steve

he wasn't a very good Musliim, from what you've said

Zahid

America did in iraq
first through sanctions 1 million
thn during war
1 million

Steve

I pray for the souls of any innocent victim
regardless of their religion

Zahid

me too

Steve

i know
our desires are identical

Zahid

it makes me sad whenever non muslim dies
becuase he will be in hell for enternity

Steve

lol
not if he is a christian

Zahid

i wish i could have helped them and revert them to being muslim

Steve

muslims are even allowed in heaven due to the sacrifice of jesus
but your religion doesn't allow Christians into heaven
isn't that odd?
ours does and your doesn't?
Jesus died to forgive all of our sins
and through his death we are all granted life everlasting
because no one gets to heaven but through his death

Zahid

its not up to prophets to decide who live is heaven
it is Allah' way

Steve

he isn't a prophet
he is the savior

Zahid

for us he is

Steve

i know
who is the Islam equivalent of Jesus?
son of God and all

Zahid

no one
we dont have God's son

Steve

bummer...well you can join our team.. and then you will have a Savior

Zahid

God is one and he likes to be called by the name of Allah

Steve

Jaweh?

Zahid

although he has 99 othe names

Steve

right
Zahid : HE

Steve

so who knows what He likes to be called?

Zahid

like Rehman= THE merciful

Steve

Mohammed?

Zahid

didnt get you question

Steve

we won't probably ever convince each other...I'm just happy to know that your love of He will deliver you to heaven so that we can share a Tea and a smile
who decides what He likes to be called, Mohammed?

Zahid

you are asking about Muhammad PBUH?
his fav name?

Steve

yes, who said what He likes to be called?

Zahid

i think its written in Holy Quran or may be Muhammed said it...
i am not sure

Steve

no matter, He knows when we think or speak of Him

Zahid

yeah may Allah show you the right path so you can become muslim and enjoy life in heaven

Steve

too bad the rest of the world doesn't get to enjoy the conversations that you and I have

Zahid

may be i can post it on my blog?

Steve

and fortunately, as a Christian, I know you get to remain a Muslim and still get into heaven

Zahid

what do you think?

Steve

sure
there are several discussion that I thought should be posted, recorded

Zahid

so if you become muslim you will too get n heaven

Steve

in fact one time I wrote a "story" about our conversations

Zahid

why take risk
lol

Steve

no, God through his Son Jesus, and my Christian faith know that you as a Muslim can also be there
shame I won't be in your heaven even though you will be in mine
do you understand the basis of the word religion?
it is based in Latin and means to constrain
this is where "man" puts his influence on God so that they can attempt to control us while on Earth
God probably chuckles at our folly
he loves us all
and has provided us the greatest gift of all...life and free will
so that we can enjoy his gift
the differences between us are all the result of "men" trying to control us
not of God

Zahid

according to our religion Allah can forgive every sin but not shirk

Steve

shirk?

Zahid

sin of idolatry or polytheism

Steve

true...1st commandment...though shall have no other God's before me

Zahid

but Christians have made God out of three entities
which is shirk

Steve

no we haven't

Zahid

Son of God
God him self
Holy Spirit

Steve

Father, Son and Holy Ghost?

Zahid

yes

Steve

got it...no, God is God
the others are his daily presence in our lives
Jesus to forgive our sins and the Holy Spirit to be in our lives on a daily basis
Jesus was crucified, buried, raised from the dead and 2 weeks later ascended into heaven
40 days after his death, God delivered the Holy Spirit
the Holy Spirit is present in our conversations
We are not separate from God
we are part of Him
and the Holy Spirit is our connection..it is what moves us to good

Zahid

We say nothing is Hidden from Allah He knows everything

Steve

agreed

Zahid

Christian concept is difficult to crasp

Steve

God so loved the world He gave his only Son
to absolve the sins/weaknesses of humans
God sent Jesus to live as a Human, to experience the Human condition, but to not himself be human
and then to be wrongly crucified by man
to atone for our sins

Zahid

Jesus PBUH was a prophet he was given miracles ..but Chiristians think that he was Son of God
he was Prophet of God

Steve

your sins and my sins...2000+ years later

Zahid

no amount of pain can erase sins of billions of people

Steve

I know that your religion declares him a Prophet
we know he is the Son of God
God's Son could erase the sins of billions of people...Jesus was God's Son...nothing is impossible to God

Zahid

every man will be answerable for his own deeds

Steve

of course...if you are a bad person, God knows that and you will be sent to Hell
UBL is there now

Zahid

otherwise thr is no point in doign Good since bcz of Jesus we have been cleaned

Steve

no...it isn't a free pass
you don't get to be horrible
Jesus died so that we can go to heaven
before that...no one could get there

Zahid

Western media knows he was bad thus you know he was bad
you never met him personally

Steve

true
I have never met UBL
and I am only going on his own words regarding the death of 3000 people
but that person, he doesn't get into heaven
Jesus didn't die for evil

Zahid

thats not true...people of Moses got into paradise too..i mean those who folowed him

Steve

he opened a door so that we could go to heaven
but we have to go through that door...through jesus

Zahid

why

Steve

people of Moses get to heaven, along with Muslims
because they are good people

Zahid

people of Moses got into paradise
Abrahim people too

Steve

once they understood God, yes
before that, i don't know..but apparently not
does Islam talk about Noah?
that's pre Muslim
right?

Zahid

yes
Islam does

Steve

or the story of Soddom and Gomorrah?

Zahid

1 min

Steve

k...i gotta get some sleep
lol
goodnight/day Z...God/Allah bless you

Zahid

yes Islam does talk abt them
ok talk to you later
Good night

Steve

quickly...God chose Abraham to establish the presence of God on earth
Abrahim became Abraham, Sarai became Sarah
and they were old and childless
and God spoke to Abrahim and said change your name, take your old self and your old, childless wife, and follow my will
before that, God was vengeful
then he granted mercy and grace
and through Abraham both of our religions were formed
both of our love of God is tied to this one man
who had faith and followed God's will
and God' mercy bestowed on us the ability to live forever in heaven
and His grace is the ability to fall short of God's wishes for us, and through his Son, still get access to Heaven
not automatically...not without genuine compassion and effort
but not because I am Christian or because you are Muslim
inspite of the fact that we are what we are...grace
we all fall short of God's wish for us
no matter what we do, we cannot live up to God's expectations/wish for us
I can't be "clean" enough no matter what I do, no matter how many prayers

Zahid

I dont know what God expects in Bible but Islam is very much doable and thats what God expects

Steve

that, I think, is where religion perverts God

Zahid

arent 10 commandments doable?

Steve

10 commandments aren't the "benchmark" to gaining access to heaven
they are a measure by which you know you are living as God would like

Zahid

they certianly look to me
nothing is impossible

Steve

agreed

Zahid

in those 10 commandments
ok you must be sleepy

Steve

way sleepy...goodnight

Zahid

good night